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Economic Anthropology, Capitalism's End, and an Ecological Solution

Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 08:49:33 PM PDT

This is a literary essay examining the question: "Why do people do what they do?" in an economic context.  Its starting point is the three-fold explanation given in Wilk and Cliggett's new text of economic anthropology, Economies and Cultures: people do what they do because 1) of economic self-interest, 2) for the sake of other people, or 3) with moral/ ethical motives in mind.  I use that framework as a starting point to examine what sort of economic motives would be best in light of the ecological crises of the present, and of the advanced state of capitalism and of "capitalist discipline" as it has shaped our society.

(crossposted at Docudharma)

Texts inspiring this essay:

Dryzek, John.  Rational Ecology.  Oxford: Basil Blackwell,
1987.

van der Pijl, Kees.  "International Relations and
Capitalist Discipline".  Phases of Capitalist Development (Albritton et al., Eds.).  London and New York: Routledge, 1998. 1-16.

Wilk, Richard R., and Lisa C. Cleggett.  Economies and Cultures: Foundations of Economic Anthropology.  Boulder CO: Westview, 2007.

One of this year’s most intriguing new texts, Richard Wilk and Lisa Cleggett’s Economies and Cultures, is being marketed as an introductory text in economic anthropology.  But it’s clearly more than that, as economic anthropology functions as an important starting-point for reflections upon the human condition.  It has a lot of intriguing short references to other literature, especially in anthropology, and a lot of wide-ranging philosophical arguments.  It's one of this year's recommended reads.

Now, the anonymous scholars of Wikipedia have defined economic anthropology as "a scholarly field that attempts to explain human economic behavior using the tools of both economics and anthropology."  But, rather than stop there, the authors of Economies and Cultures take a broader, more interdisciplinary approach.  One of this book's most controversial conclusions is its distillation of the social-scientific explanations for human behavior that have been given so far.  It argues that there are basically three types of explanation for human behavior.  They include:

The Self-Interested Model.  "This is the basis for the dominant approach in microeconomics, the part of economics that is concerned with individual behavior," the authors tell us.  This model, we are told, uses the model of "the self-interested rational individual, or ‘economic man’".  (42)

The Social Model, which "focuses on the way people form groups and exercise power," in an approach which the authors label "political economy." (42)

The Moral Model, which looks at "what people think and believe about the world in order to explain their actions."  This ostensibly underlies the "cultural economics" approach.  (43)

Now, this schematic offers a set of explanations for why people what they do, and moreover, as the authors of Economics and Cultures point out, serve as individual explanations for why people do what they do.  "I did it for myself" is the self-interest model, "I did it to help others" is the social model, and "I did it because it was right and proper" is the moral model.  (190)  

Of course, each of these statements can be used to explain any behavior one wishes to explain.  "I did it for myself can be used to explain helping others, and so on.  But we can nevertheless look for pairings – self-interest propelling microeconomic decisions, social interest propelling political action, and moral interest propelling "gifts" and other expressions of cultural economics.  And if we find such pairings, we can then point to distinct economic ways of life.

So how does this academic schema shake out when it is applied to the real world?  My interpretation of it is that when Wilk and Cleggett explain the research results, what we slowly begin to see is the presence of the 800-pound gorilla in the room: growing, historical capitalism.  And each of the three different approaches can be said to study a different aspect of life under capitalism, per se: the self-interested model tells us what is inscribed on capitalism’s banners, the social model grants us a macro analysis of capitalism, and the cultural (or moral) model discovers what other ways of life exist on the margins of the capitalist system.

So, what is this capitalist system to which I refer?  A meaningful definition of capitalism is given in Ellen Meiksins Wood’s basic text The Origin of Capitalism:

Capitalism is a system in which goods and services, down to the most basic necessities of life, are produced for profitable exchange, where even human labor power is a commodity for sale in the market, and where, because all economic actors are dependent on the market, the requirements of competition and profit maximization are the fundamental rules of life. (2)

So a capitalist society is a society in which economic actors are dependent upon markets.  Every once in awhile I read this Internet argument about how capitalism is natural and about how society has "always" been "capitalist."  For other people, there may be some meaning to this way of talking about economic life, but to me it’s meaningless.  Capitalist society is a specific type of society.  It was not, for instance, feudal society, in which the fundamental unit of production was not the business, producing commodities, but rather the estate.  The feudal system used the surplus produced by the labor of serfs living on estate land.  Capitalism was also not the economic principle of the Roman Empire, in which one’s share of the productive surplus was determined not by "the market" but by one’s social class (or beforehand by conquest) and in which many of the producers were slaves, human "commodities" without rights.  Capitalism is a modern phenomenon, existing more or less since the 16th century and with proto-origins in the merchant societies of Flanders, the Netherlands, Genoa, and Venice, later emerging full-blown in the United Kingdom.

A capitalist society, then, is a society where the market determines the most important features of economic life.  It’s the type of society which exhibits its pride of being capitalist in the "Self-Interested Model" as mentioned in Economies and Cultures.  In short, it’s a society where things, and people, are commodified, where the dynamic economic force is commodification.

Now, what do I mean by "commodification"?  Kees van der Pijl defines this at the beginning of his classic text Transnational Classes and International Relations:

This means that the lives of ever more people are determined by tendentially world-embracing market relations ("the connection of the individual with all".  Goods produced, services rendered, but also the raw material of nature and human beings as such are thus subjected to an economic discipline which defines and treats them as commodities. (8)

So everything becomes subject to market relations, everything to be bought and sold, or to be prepared for sale.  And this "preparation for sale" is a market relation that van der Pijl calls "capitalist discipline."  Capitalist discipline, van der Pijl tells us in a long-winded discussion (24-63), is the process of socialization into a capitalist, market society.  Capitalist discipline, then, is the preparation for commodification – if the market is to be paramount, everything has to be prepared for it.  How this is done depends upon the time and place of the market situation.  In the antebellum South, slaves were prepared for market by being hauled around in chains; today people work to adorn their resumes so that they can sell their labor-time more effectively, or they manipulate plant genes so that varieties can be copyrighted, the better to squeeze money out of the farmers who use one’s produced seed.  In all eras, in general, commodification means that raw materials are in some way molded into goods-for-sale.

Now, I like Kees van der Pijl, as his view of capitalist history really explains for me how history turned out as it did.  But Transnational Classes and International Relations can be a long read full of dense vocabulary requiring LOTS of time and energy.  The short version of Kees van der Pijl’s argument about commodification and "capitalist discipline" is given in a short essay in an edited volume: "International Relations and capitalist discipline," pp. 1-16 of Phases of Capitalist Development, eds. Albritton et al.  I’ll follow it carefully here.  Here, van der Pijl argues:

There are three phases of imposing the discipline of capital.  In each of them, it reaches deeper into the society-nature metabolism, provoking its own forms of resistance. (2)

So as capitalist discipline reorders the world in the form of "the market" more and more, different forms of resistance occur.

First, there is the process of original accumulation, the stamping of the commodity form on social relations including relations of production.

 

If the market is to rule, the things of the world must first be made into (someone’s) property; they must be conquered or appropriated into a property system.

The second is the capitalist production process, the exploitation of living labor-power, in which the technical labor process, with all that it implies in terms of human autonomy and creativity, has to be subordinated to the process of expanding value, the ‘valorization’ of capital invested.

This means that workers must be trained to sell their work, their "labor power" (to use Marx’s word) for money, by learning the most profitable "technical labor process."  

The third is the process of social reproduction in its entirety, which likewise has been made subject to the requirements of capital accumulation.  This includes the biosphere as well as what we may conveniently call, to distinguish it from work, ‘daily life.’ (11-12)

This means that the world must be made into an object for exploitation by business, and society needs to be transformed into consumer society, so that the manufacture of goods and services can be "sold," and thus transformed into profit.  Children are to be educated a certain way, so that in later life they may be good workers and consumers.

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OK, so that’s capitalist discipline in a nutshell.  For the most part it’s the dominant force in our society, though there are indeed counter-forces which soften its impacts.  But with that third stage of capitalist discipline, with the penetration of capitalist discipline into everything, the fundamental operation of the whole system itself runs into big trouble.  Van der Pijl again:

With the deepening of capitalist discipline to include the natural foundations of humanity’s existence and the most intimate aspects of social life (including the reproductive ones), the capacity of the biosphere and daily life to renew themselves according to their own requirements and rhythms is prejudiced.  (11-12)

Capitalist discipline, as it envelops the world, thus ends up making it harder and harder to live.  You thus have an "’exhaustion’ of the capacity of society and nature to support capitalist discipline," (12), a quality noted by Teresa Brennan in her works.  Capitalism is really too fast for the natural rhythms of the biosphere.

Does anyone here besides myself see this "exhaustion" coming?  People are overworked, underpaid; the future of the system itself is compromised by abrupt climate change; credit schemes are collapsing; oceans are being catastrophically overfished; Africa is disintegrating.  In light of this; we ought to be concerned, largely, with alternatives to capitalist discipline, ways in which we can all live without being vulnerable to "the market."

So let’s return to the three-fold model of decision-making presented in Wilk and Cleggett’s Economies and Cultures:

The Self-Interested Model, corresponding to microeconomics
The Social Model, corresponding to political economy
The Moral Model, corresponding to cultural economics (especially of actions like gifts). (41-42)

As I said above, each of these models helps us explain how the economy works.  The Self-Interested Model explains how markets work (as they relentlessly take over the world), the Social Model critiques the economy from a political perspective (pretty much what we do here at DKos), and the Moral Model helps understand what’s left.  So what will help us save the Earth?

Interestingly enough, there is already a discussion of "decision-making systems" in which each "decision-making system" is evaluated for its ability to help us save the Earth.  John Dryzek’s Rational Ecology suggests that some form of "ecological rationality" could ideally guide people toward an ecologically sustainable society.  Dryzek, however, is a political philosopher, and so he looks at "decision-making systems" in terms of procedures rather than overarching reasons to act.

Dryzek’s list of procedures, then, is largely borrowed from political philosophy.  After discussing "ecological reason," he looks at markets, administered systems, polyarchy, law, moral persuasion, and the "international anarchy" as decision-making systems that might contain some form of "ecological rationality."  None of these options looks good to Dryzek, and so he looks to "innovations" to try to imagine new ways of solving environmental problems.

What Dryzek comes up with are: "practical reason," the possibility that people could argue "pedagogically" (201) toward a rational course of action that all could agree with, and "radical decentralization," the idea that local responsibility would be more responsive to ecological catastrophe than distant, centralized power.  Dryzek’s suggestions seem eminently reasonable, yet we have to ask whether "practical reason" could actually be put in charge of a decision-making process about the environment.  People do not destroy the environment because they are unreasonable; they destroy the environment because they are caught up in other decision-making systems which do not reward environmentally-rational behavior.  Coal miners, for instance, remove mountaintops because doing so is equated with "making a living" microeconomically, not because they are irrational.

Dryzek’s idea that new decision-making systems will have to be invented has a sort of echo in Wilk and Cliggett’s book.  In one passage on p. 120, the authors of Economies and Cultures contrast social theorists and moral theorists:

For the social theorist, communication and ritual are tools invented by human beings to make social life easier, and they ultimately made larger and more complicated social groups possible.  For the moral theorist, humans are symbolizing animals first, and with this capacity they invent social life and groups that serve their needs.

If humankind is to get out of its current environmental dilemma, the human race will have to invent a new way of social life, and it will have to clear the ground so that microeconomic reasoning, or "capitalist discipline" if you will, does not reign supreme.  This is what I mean by "going off of the capitalist standard" in all of the comments I’ve made in that direction.  It's a response to the seriousness of the crises, environmental and social, which imperil our present era.  In Wilk and Cleggett’s terms: we will need to develop a Social Model to restrain the Self-Interest Model while the Moral Model works on a solution.

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  •  Tips for wide-ranging academic thought (12+ / 0-)

    Isn't good college reading fun?

    "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

    by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 08:51:39 PM PDT

  •  What Happened to Emotion (9+ / 0-)

    and 4 billion years of evolution that produces traits in the organism other than pure rational thought?

    There's another aspect of capitalism that strikes me as pretty insane. It can only reward action.

    Culture on the other hand rewards both action and restraint. Culture's been with us through a million or two years of evolution into the species we are today, whereas capitalism, barely 4 centuries during which time we've started wrecking the entire planet.

    Economics isn't my training; I wonder if there are economic systems that can reward restraint.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:14:24 PM PDT

  •  you do things (5+ / 0-)

    EVERYONE does things for self preservation and their tribe, and hence standing within said tribe.

    We are simple tribal creatures all playing a kind of game of dress up in the modern world.

    Humans ARE ALL THE SAME. We wish to prove that we are needed, loved, benefitual, and respected within our own little tribes.

    Certainly there are rogues too within our societies, caste from their tribes and many of their actions can be directly tied at being cast aside and alone.  Often they act out and spend their time proving to the tribe they were indeed worthy of them, and would of been of benefit.

    We are LITTLE ANIMALS ON A LITTLE PLANET. Nothing more, nothing less. We are not unlike to many other tribal and pack animals of this planet. All we do, all we are can be tied back to our tribal wants, needs, desires.

    Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses.. Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of deaths construction..........

    by pissedpatriot on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:27:40 PM PDT

    •  We are often conditioned by our environments (5+ / 0-)

      both cultural and environmental, and this makes us behave differently than if we were conditioned otherwise.

      "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:30:26 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (4+ / 0-)

        I agree, but at the heart of being human, we are all the same and all want the same things, and this is all tied to the aspects of being a tribal creature.

        Cultures, traditions, etc play a roll in how we go about to attain these "wants and needs", but it is still these desires that make us do, what we do.

        Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses.. Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerers of deaths construction..........

        by pissedpatriot on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:33:54 PM PDT

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    •  Not all the same. (1+ / 0-)

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      "We wish to prove that we are needed, loved, benefitual, and respected within our own little tribes."

      Which of these apply to Bush?  To Cheney?  To Giuliani?  Are they all outliers?

      The statement seems to apply far more to Democrats than to Republicans.  In fact, it's why I'm a Democrat.

      "I cherished my hate like a badge of moral superiority." - Mark Rudd

      by Bob Love on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 10:22:19 PM PDT

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  •  Capitalism fails to protect the environment (8+ / 0-)

    Unfettered capitalism leads to environmental rapaciousness because without regulation it is beneficial to take as much as you can of limited resources before someone else does. "The tragedy of the commons" encompasses all of the basic life support mechanisms the planet provides us with.

    This diary covers very important material. Thanks for posting it.

    The failure of our politicians to recognize the seriousness of our environmental problems leaves me with a bad feeling.

    "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:29:44 PM PDT

  •  In the Last Century (3+ / 0-)

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    As a result of recorded media -- we've come to this new place in human experience -- the idea of sacrificing for the future.

    The human lifespan is far too brief to viscerally experience anything that will emerge from altruistic capitalist endeavors. Even efforts to "do no more harm" to the environment may not show meaningful results for another century -- five generations from now.

    I used to marvel at these cathedrals that took hundreds of years to complete. How does one conceive of such a project, given such a brief lifespan? How does the vision endure long enough to keep it from being sold off for parts somewhere along the way?

    Pluto now orbits Overnight News Digest ʍou sʇıqɹo oʇnld

    by Pluto on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 09:49:00 PM PDT

  •  Why we do what we do. (4+ / 0-)

    - we were social animals before we were moral animals, and social pressures still outweigh "symbolic needs", don'tcha think?

    - "Radical decentralization," the idea that local responsibility would be more responsive to ecological catastrophe than distant, centralized power.  Sounds nice, but when the ecological catastrophe is global, local responses will likely only address local circumstances.  And local governments will be overwhelmed.  Like NOLA.  And there is no power in Africa that can prevent the destruction of central Africa's forests or the expansion of the Sahara and Kalahari.

    I appreciate this presentation very much, but I believe the current level of discussion is still too simplistic to yield satisfactory solutions.  My own sense is that "people do what they do" because their self-interest - economic, social and ethical - has been defined by an array of models and influences that don't yield to simple analysis.

    "I cherished my hate like a badge of moral superiority." - Mark Rudd

    by Bob Love on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 10:15:47 PM PDT

  •  ..suspicious... (7+ / 0-)

    You think more people would be suspicious of an philosophical concept that says that the best thing a society can do for it's own wellbeing is let rich and powerful people do whatever the hell they want.

    Recovering Intellectual. 12 days stupid.

    by scionkirk on Sun Dec 02, 2007 at 10:19:56 PM PDT

  •  I recently posted some stuff about an old dream (5+ / 0-)

    of mine that one day the human race would try a cooperative society rather than a competitive one. Not by force. Not by coercion. But because everything else had failed or collapsed. I was jumped on by a couple of people who assumed that I was defending the old Marxist model of a "dictatorship of the proletariat." No. I meant a freely-chosen society where people simply could pass all of the goods and services around because they had tried the competitive thing and it had ultimately collapsed. We might yet see it in our lifetime.

  •  There should be more dialogues (2+ / 0-)

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    so, diary, tip'd, rec'd. And thanks for a preview of a book I will not now read. :-)

    In that "The second is the capitalist production process, the exploitation of living labor-power" ... which already frames the discussion. Maybe it's out of context (being kind) but probably not.

    But we can go back to the simplest experiment on American soil: the Plymouth Colony. With the best intentions in the world, they began with a thought of 'the commons' where everyone works together. Only, it quickly turns out that damned human nature raises its head: some people work harder than others, a few don't work at all. And some steal from the common crop.

    So Governor Bradford comes up with a New Deal. Distribute plots of ground and everyone works for themselves. The industrious have a surplus, that they can barter. The lazy probably didn't last long.

    So much for "From each according to his ability ... " etc.

    And that's the microcosm of America. What we've had since is variations on a theme or Something Completely Different.

    Well, you might call it unfetted capitalism -- I would label it British mercantilism Redux c. Whig era plans and implemented by Abraham Lincoln.

    What a policy, balanced on a tripod of three basic beliefs: protectionist tariffs, government subsidies to a favored few, and a central bank. Yay. NOT!

    So from Lincoln to Dubya, not a great change in how to divvy the spoils of a nation. But I don't call it capitalism.

    And I don't call it an excess of capitalism when some fool organises a $51 Billion stealth bailout of Countrywide. Or any of the rest of the masters of the universe. Let them have their accolades, and equally, let them have the scorn of being greedy and incompetent.

    What is past, is prologue

    by US2oz on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 12:31:00 AM PDT

  •  Adam Smith's invisible hand (1+ / 0-)

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    has brought us Climate Change.  Clearly we need some other hand to bring us some improvement.

  •  So what is the standard response (1+ / 0-)

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    to Kenneth Boulding's observation: "Anyone who thinks exponential growth can continue forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist"?

  •  Marvelous article on beating famine (3+ / 0-)

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    I love this brilliant article by the talented reporter Celia Dugger who shows how the government and people of Malawi beat famine and prospered by ignoring the United States, Britain and western capitalist economists and the World Bank, all of whom advised Malawi NOT to subsidize much-needed fertilizer for their farmers. At first Malawi followed the advice of western capitalists and their people starved.

    To Death.

    Meanwhile back in the states, the US heavily subsidizes fat cat corporate agriculture. The pictures and captions alone are as valuable as a college education. Lesson: Ignore selfish western advice.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

  •  Capitalism, Private Property, Rule of Law (1+ / 0-)

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    Name 3 things no longer welcome in the GOP

  •  I've been trying to think through the underlying (2+ / 0-)

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    assumptions of our current economic and political model for some time and have been working on development of an alternative idea. I have not read much of the material you analyzed but am thrilled to know about it through your diary.

    Many of the comments went to the issue of human nature and that is a core element of what I deal with before constructing new system ideas. In constructing a view of human nature that a conceptually new system can be created from I look at the basic building blocks of human existence, add the existence of power creation outside of our biological boundaries as individuals and a species, and place that construct in nature as an integrated biological system.

    A different way of looking at human systems that create and manage extra-biological power is to think of them as biological systems and model them on the examples we see emerging from our knowledge of biology.

    Anyway, I am real happy that I saw your diary rescued and had a chance to see what you are thinking. Check out what I have come up with so far on my site, which is far from comprehensive, but I think you might find parts of it interesting. I think we could have some interesting and productive conversations.

    Love = Awareness of mutually beneficial exchange across semi-permeable boundaries. Political and economic systems either amplify or inhibit Love.

    by Bob Guyer on Mon Dec 03, 2007 at 10:41:50 PM PDT

  •  What motivates you depends on your world view (2+ / 0-)

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    Economic boycotts, sanctions, etc. are based on a model of what people value.  The models discussed here are but a fragment of the possible motivations humans deal with.  A simple example is the difference between Western Christian and Native American views of our relationship to nature. Western Christianity is based on a creation myth that involves a story of the fall which takes nature down along with humankind. So much of capitalism is linked to this myth.  It is very possible that Chinese capitalism will evolve into something very different because of this.  There is an ongoing shift in values now as the world currency shifts from the dollar to the EURO. The Soviet system was caused to disintegrate because it overextended itself. The United Staes is following in its footsteps.  This was all predicted some time ago.  The short time lag between the Soviet demise and that of the US is of no consequence.  The cold war was a dance of death for both systems.  The problem is that the soviet system was an anomoly that called itself "communist" just as the American system is a peculiar version of capitalism.  Globalization is something we do not yet understand.  I once half jokingly said that the best way to explain the Bush administration was to see it as the result of the mysterious forces behind globalization working to insure that American dominance would wane and allow it to progress.  I now wonder if I wasn't a bit prophetic.

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 12:09:54 AM PDT

    •  Soviet disintegration (1+ / 0-)

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      I favor the explanation given by Kees van der Pijl:

      The demise of the USSR was the result of a collapse of confidence within the state class, part of which joined the shift to privatizing the economy that was set in motion by forces emerging from the shadow world of criminal gangs and regional bosses.  Soviet indebtedness increased from $28.9 billion in 1985 to $54 billion in 1989, and when Moscow adopted G-7 and IMF recommendations for a withdrawal of the state form the economy, it placed the USSR under the discipline of the regulatory infrastructure of Western capital.  (246)

      Technically, the Soviet Union collapsed because it was abolished by fiat by Boris Yeltsin, but its financial existence was abolished through willing subordination to the "discipline of the regulatory infrastructure of western capital" as such.

      The US Dollar appears to be going through some devaluations right now, as dollars are being scattered on the open market.  This is being experienced as a global collapse in projected exchange-value, or at least this is how I read many of the graphs that pepper Jerome's most recent diary.

      "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

      by Cassiodorus on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 03:40:54 AM PDT

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      •  direct cause or complex cause? (1+ / 0-)

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        I gave you the complex cause version and you say you prefer a direct cause explanation. This is the subject of much of my work and three of my diary entries.  Certainly the causes you mention are included in the umbrella "overextended itself".  The direct cause explanations that have been given for its fall could fill volumes.  I admit that I oversimplified, but I certainly will stick to the idea that the fall of the Soviet empire and the fall of the American empire are linked.  This follows even more clearly if you understand that the war on terrorism is a replacement for the cold war.  Certain powers in our country need this kind of thing.  I don't know that they foresaw how badly it would be bungled this time.  Our economy is in dire straights.

        An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

        by don mikulecky on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 10:20:17 AM PDT

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        •  We're on the terrain of metaphor here (1+ / 0-)

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          Certainly the causes you mention are included in the umbrella "overextended itself".

          I guess I was unclear as to how the metaphor of "overextended itself" applied to the Soviet case, and went back to the actual specifics of the USSR's abolition.

          "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

          by Cassiodorus on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 10:40:22 AM PDT

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  •  Karl Polanyi (1+ / 0-)

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    Thank you so much for writing such a well-thought essay. In the context of economic anthropology, the work of Karl Polanyi, in his opus "The Great Transformation", discussed the switch to capitalism and the ramifications for culture. According to Polanyi, before capitalism, the economy was embedded within the mores of traditional cultures, and after the switch, culture became embedded in the economy. Economic thought came to determine cultural constructs and practices. Polanyi also predicted that rampant capitalism, left to its own devices and without checks, would end up destroying the natural base upon which it depends for its continued existence.

  •  inventing a new way of social life (1+ / 0-)

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    Almost, but not quite. What makes it 'social' is precisely that it cannot be invented, per se, but is the product of long term interaction between a host of factors.  

    The problem that economic anth always seems to reproduce is the 'discovery' of the symbolic aspect human interaction--having rejected it in earlier phases of the discipline--whereupon they set about trying to find a place for it at the table.  This puts them in about 1965.  I never understand why they feel the need to re-enact this over and over, but they do.  

    We will not know how the social plays a role in dealing with the environment over time until we are in a position to look back at that problem--which is another aspect of the discussion that the economic folks seem to get wrong, over and over.  Anthropology is not a predictive science--it's descriptive.  

    Anyway...this isn't easy stuff by any stretch, and it's always  nice to see these core anthropology concepts tossed around on dKos. Takes me back to the first year of grad school.  I read every diary with the word 'anthropology' in the title, and was happy to find and read this one.

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    by Jeffrey Feldman on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 04:54:23 AM PDT

    •  not in the sense of an individual inventor (0+ / 0-)

      What makes it 'social' is precisely that it cannot be invented, per se, but is the product of long term interaction between a host of factors.

      Groups of people can, however, "invent" new organizations, in which they relate to each other in "different" ways... judging, for instance, from the things that have been done with B. F. Skinner's Walden Two (well-summarized in Hilke Kuhlmann's fine book), I don't see why social life should be automatically excluded from ideas of "experimentation" and "invention"...

      "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

      by Cassiodorus on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 05:02:48 AM PDT

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      •  it's not excluded, but when we talk (0+ / 0-)

        about the 'social' in anthropology, it carries a different meaning from the sociologist's idea of organization.  In other words, new social organizations can be created, but that would not mean that 'the social' had been changed--any more or any less that if that new organization had not been invented.  This is the problem that, to a certain extent, goes all the way back to the start of the French school of thought--Durkheim--that began the  run of ideas that gives rise to this discussion. Do we think that the 'social' exists or not, and if so: is it foundational or not?  By reducing the social down to what can be seen (e.g., people in the room), the economist often sees change in the social when there is change in human activity (e.g., invention).  But we simply don't know that until we check.  The economic anthropologist makes this mistake, too.

        Solutions to problems are constantly invented, but it is likely that they are invented as a result of how the social informs action--with minor alterations to it.  So, the Baptist communities in Atlanta organized mass prayer to bring rain--and it rained. But the solution did not change the social.  

        In the abstract sense, walking on a garden path, for example, changes the path in ways, but overwhelmingly, that path informs how we walk, etc.  We can choose to walk on our own, but we won't know for a long time if that choice actually becomes a new path, etc., etc.  

        To avoid this problem altogether, British anthropologists once said that anything material was just surface decoration to the social--that way they didn't have to think about any of this!  Of course, that's not correct either, but it points to how sticky these problems can be.  

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        by Jeffrey Feldman on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 05:21:35 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure I understand (0+ / 0-)

          I'll go over your message line by line:

          when we talk (0 / 0)

          about the 'social' in anthropology, it carries a different meaning from the sociologist's idea of organization.  In other words, new social organizations can be created, but that would not mean that 'the social' had been changed--any more or any less that if that new organization had not been invented.  This is the problem that, to a certain extent, goes all the way back to the start of the French school of thought--Durkheim--that began the  run of ideas that gives rise to this discussion. Do we think that the 'social' exists or not, and if so: is it foundational or not?

          So your argument here is about "the social," whatever that is (and it's not defined above).  Maybe the definition is implied tho.  I read on:

          By reducing the social down to what can be seen (e.g., people in the room), the economist often sees change in the social when there is change in human activity (e.g., invention).  But we simply don't know that until we check.  The economic anthropologist makes this mistake, too.

          So now the social is "reduced" by students of human behavior.  What was it reduced from?

          And I understand there is some kind of "mistake" going on with these sorts of studies, at least by economists and economic anthropologists.  What is being mistaken for what?

          Solutions to problems are constantly invented, but it is likely that they are invented as a result of how the social informs action--with minor alterations to it.  So, the Baptist communities in Atlanta organized mass prayer to bring rain--and it rained. But the solution did not change the social.

          Here I have some difficulty understanding because of slippage in the meaning of the word "invented."  How is praying for rain an "invention" of the Baptist communities in Atlanta?  Drought is an old problem, and praying for rain is an old solution.  In my diary, however, I suggest that the global ecological crisis of capitalism is a new problem, unique to this era of history.  It is in that context that I argue that the social form that will solve the global ecological crisis of capitalism will have to be invented.  In other words, since capitalism's ecological crisis is new, its solution will have to be invented anew.  Not "invented" in the sense of praying for rain.

          I'm not sure how the rest of your message connects to this theme of "the social" that starts the message out.

          "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

          by Cassiodorus on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 05:41:21 AM PDT

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          •  The crisis is not new, though (1+ / 0-)

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            London went through it before it had a sewage system.  Australia went through it with the Ozone before fluorocarbons were regulated.  And so forth.  Climate crisis is decidedly not new

            The 'social' is a big concept in anthropology--like 'culture' or 'economy' or 'ecology.'  It's inherently difficult to pin down.

            The bottom line here is that anthropology is not predictive.  The conclusion that new forms of social life must be invented based on what anthropologists write is  just a slight misreading.  It would have made more sense to say that new policies, new ideas, new organizations, new approaches--all are great and should be pursued, and once that happens anthropologist can help us understand what those changes have meant for human society.  

            I'd suggest The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery as a follow up to this diary.

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            by Jeffrey Feldman on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 06:00:36 AM PDT

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            •  Consider rules as ontologically prime (1+ / 0-)

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              I think the problem about how to define (and practically reinvent) the "social" could profit from attention to the origins of agency.

              Rules are produced and reproduced by expressly social action. To the extent personal decisons are informed by rules that we can analytically lump under the heading of selfish individualism, the commons is subject to tragic over-exploitation. Personal decisions could also be informed by principles that reflecting a pervasive normative desire for global sustainability, even as a multitude of coordination problems (resource allocations, process rules, delegation of powers to gatekeepers, etc.) remain to be solved.

            •  But in two important ways this crisis IS new -- (0+ / 0-)

              In that 1) the "pollutant" we are calling a "pollutant" is in fact the necessary byproduct of our world-society's primary energy source(s), and that 2) substitutes for its use on the scale which world-society is using it are not readily available (in the quantities it is being used) and may never be so.  

              Australia did not use fluorocarbons to power its motor vehicles, and there were relatively easy-to-use substitutes for fluorocarbon refrigeration; London was not obliged to pollute the Thames with its garbage, so creating a sewage system wasn't that hard.

              By contrast, if you burn fossil fuels, you are going to get carbon dioxide pollution.  When the pollution problem with coal-burning power plants was regarded as  "particulate," the solution was to filter the particulate out of the burning process.  It's by no means so easy to filter CO2 out of a burning process, as both "Treehugger" and David Roberts of Gristmill reveal.

              Moreover, there are no easy substitutes for the world's 85-million barrel-a-day crude oil burning habit.  Sure, there are alternative energy sources, but these sources are not substitutes for fossil-fuel burning but rather supplements, ways of expanding the capitalist system's potentially infinite demand for new energy sources.  

              "Solutions" to the fossil-fuel burning habit such as the Kyoto Protocol, moreover, are (unlike with fluorocarbons) mere false promises, like the false promise of an alcoholic that "I can quit any time I want to."  They play a shell-game with fossil-fuel consumers, when all the while the producers of fossil-fuel commodities can find ready consumers for every day's output of those 85 million barrels of oil.  It's a ruse: if they wanted to control fossil-fuel burning in a real way, they'd refuse to extract the stuff from the ground.  But this would mean facing the real addiction, of the capitalist system, to fossil-fuel energy.  To get out of the addiction, I argue, we'd have to get out of capitalism.

              Can you find another "pollution" problem, historical or geographic, that also has this nasty dimension to it?

              "Ohhh. Great warrior? Wars not make one great." -- Yoda

              by Cassiodorus on Tue Dec 04, 2007 at 09:06:25 AM PDT

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